– [Eden Chen] I think, like,
I think the bigger question for me around telecommuting is there seems to be
sort of this new wave of the way people work. I think one result of that is
telecommuting. You have a lot more freelancing,
a lot of people working multiple jobs. So, I don’t know. Is it something that you’ve seen at your
church, I’m assuming, in Silicon Valley where people are
working new roles? And how does that affect your church? How does that affect the congregation? – [Justin Buzzard] I’d say for the most
part, our people love it. That’s a way of life in Silicon Valley,
telecommuting. I mean, it’s a results-oriented work
environment in Silicon Valley. It’s not an hours-based, in the office
work environment for most companies. And so, many people are telecommuting. Many people are working from home. Many entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley are
starting companies where they’re hiring kind of around the globe
based on best wages. A good friend of mine, entrepreneur,
he’s hiring software engineers, and a lot of those software engineers he’s not
hiring in Silicon Valley because he has to pay a higher wage there. But he’s hiring them from the Midwest. He’s hiring them from the east coast where
he can pay a different wage. And so, the whole way he runs his
company is different. And certainly, you don’t have that
face-to-face time every day, but there are creative ways for him to do that, that I
think is healthy and good for the economy because he can start this business, and
he can start it at a cheaper cost. But there is some relational loss in terms
of a company’s culture because you’re not all together. – [Eden Chen] Yeah. One of the companies that our company
does a combination of… We have an office, but people work from
home on Fridays, and honestly, for us, it’s pretty flexible. A lot of times people just work from home,
like, during the middle of the week, too. We don’t have very stringent rules around
coming to the office. A lot of people like coming into an office
and working with other people, having face-to-face conversations. But I think one of the companies that we
sort of have wanted to emulate, and I think a lot of companies wanted to emulate
is the company called InVision. I think they have more than 500 people
that are working remote. And what they do is they have… A friend of mine at InVision is, like,
the, I think his title is, like, head of culture or something like that. And his role is really to make sure that
in a remote-based company with hundreds of people, real relationships
are being formed. And I think, like, a lot of companies that
do a good job in that culture are actually more intentional about the off-sites that
they have. When they’re hanging out, they actually,
like, are more intentional about that because, like, so many kind of,
you know, jobs where you do go into office, you don’t really have a
deep relationship with your coworker anyways. So, in terms of, like,
that relational loss, it may not even be there. And, like, for our company, most years we
do a international trip where we fly our whole company
out to a international location. We spend a week to two weeks there. Like, last year, we went to Tokyo. The year before, we went to New Zealand. But those are the times when, like,
really deep relationships are formed. You’re, like, on this off-site, and you’re
all living in the same location. You can do stuff like that with remote
teams that maybe if you assumed that if you were in the office that relationships
were being formed, and they really weren’t that, you know, that would be sort of,
like, a similar relational focus. So, I think, like, relationships are never
going to go away, even with remote teams. And the good remote teams are actually,
like, more aware of that than maybe some of the teams where you’re
in a physical location. – [Justin Buzzard] I think there’s a win
for families in more remote working. In a lot of ways, it’s a return to
pre-Industrial Revolution where most people worked on a farm at home, and
they’re with their spouse, with their kids, with their neighbors
throughout the day, and that’s where work took place. So, least in my church,
people are loving it. What we have at most company, not most,
but many companies in Silicon Valley have work from home Wednesdays,
and that’s the culture. So, the middle day of the week,
they’re working from home. People love that. And oftentimes, they’re doing it much
more than that. So, it means, oftentimes,
more time with their spouse, family, kids, and that’s been really healthy,
really good. – [Eden Chen] Yeah. And I think it’s actually, like,
more productive from a business standpoint, too. Like, the reason why we do work from home
is so people don’t have to drive to the office and waste time. – [Justin Buzzard] Yeah. They’re not wasting time on their commute,
and the utility bill, you know, a lot of ways that it benefits the company
you can save costs.