SID ROTH: THIS FORMER HIGH
PRIEST OF SATAN EXPLAINS WHY HE SWITCHED POWERS. THE POWER HE NOW OPERATES
IN TERRIFIES THE DEVIL. NEXT ON THIS EDITION OF
IT’S SUPERNATURAL. CENTURIES HAVE COME AND
GONE OFFERING WISDOM AND ON IT’S SUPERNATURAL. SID: HELLO. SID ROTH YOUR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER HERE WITH MICHAEL
CHAMPAGNE. NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A
YOUNG MAN RAISED IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH ALL OF A
SUDDEN GETS EXPOSED TO MYTHOLOGY OR TODAY THE
MODERN COUNTERPART MIGHT BE SOME BOOKS ABOUT
WIZARDS, HARRY POTTER BOOKS, WHICH
ARE SO POPULAR TODAY. WELL YOU GOT TURNED ON,
MICHAEL CHAMPAGNE, ON MYTHOLOGY. WHY DID THIS INTEREST YOU
SO MUCH? MICHAEL: WELL IT STARTED
OUT IS LIKE A FACT, A FACT-FINDING QUEST. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ALL
OTHER RELIGIONS BELIEVED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE ONE
THAT I WAS AT WASN’T WORKING. I MEAN, THEY GET, HAD ALL
THE RIGHT WORDS, BUT NONE OF THE POWER. SID: DID YOU EVER SEE
MIRACLES? MICHAEL: NO, NEVER. NEVER HAD SEEN MIRACLES. SID: DID YOU EVER QUESTION
THE PASTOR? MICHAEL: OH YEAH,
ABSOLUTELY. I ASKED HIM ALL THE TIME,
WHY CAN’T PEOPLE GET HEALED? WHY DON’T YOU HEAL PEOPLE? WHY DON’T YOU, YOU KNOW,
DO THE SIGNS AND WONDERS THAT YOU’RE ALWAYS SAYING
ARE IN THE BIBLE AND IF THE BIBLE IS ABSOLUTELY
TRUE, WHY AREN’T YOU FOLLOWING
IN PLACE? SID: SO WHAT DID THEY
RESPOND TO YOU? MICHAEL: THEY TOLD ME THAT
GOD NO LONGER DOES MIRACLES ANY MORE. THAT WAS JUST FOR THE
APOSTLES’ TIME. SID: DID YOU ACCEPT THAT? MICHAEL: ABSOLUTELY NOT. I LOOKED FOR ANOTHER
AVENUE. I WANTED TO KNOW POWER. SID: SO FROM MYTHOLOGY, IT
JUST KIND OF GRAVITATED. WOULD YOU SAY IT’S ALMOST
LIKE, WELL THERE’S NOTHING WRONG
WITH READING MYTHOLOGY, BUT IT ALMOST OPENED YOU
UP TO OTHER POWERS? MICHAEL: ABSOLUTELY. IT PEAKS THE CURIOSITY. YOU KNOW, ALL SATAN NEEDS
IN A YOUNG PERSON’S MIND IS A WEDGE. YOU KNOW, HE DOESN’T HAVE
TO BLAST THEM WITH ANY MAJOR THING. HE JUST NEEDS A LITTLE
FOOTHOLD TO GET IN THERE AND START TEARING THINGS
UP. SID: WELL HOW SERIOUS IS
IT THAT THESE HARRY POTTER BOOKS ARE JUST EVERYWHERE? I GET ON AIRPLANES,
EVERYONE IS READING THESE BOOKS NOW. HOW DANGEROUS IS THAT? IF MYTHOLOGY OPENS YOU UP
TO SATANISM, HOW ABOUT A WIZARD? MICHAEL: IT’S REALLY
INTERESTING. HARRY POTTER IS, I THINK,
ONE OF THE MOST DEMONIC THINGS OUT THERE SIMPLY
BECAUSE THE DEVIL, YOU KNOW, IF THE DEVIL
SHOWED UP IN ALL THIS EVIL GLORY THEN WE WOULD
OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOT TO FOLLOW HIM. SO WHAT HE DOES IS HE
MAKES THINGS VERY SUBTLE AND THEN SLOWLY AND SLOWLY
YOU GET SUCKED INTO THE DARKNESS, INTO THE VOID,
AND THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HARRY POTTER DOES. THE FIRST BOOKS ARE KIND
OF CUTE AND CHILDISH AND THEN YOU GET DARKER AND
DARKER, AND DARKER AND DARKER. SID: TELL ME ABOUT THE
TIME THAT THE DEVIL MADE A DEAL WITH YOU. MICHAEL: WHICH TIME WAS
THAT? HE’S MADE A LOT OF DEALS
WITH ME. SID: WHEN IT GOT TO, WHEN
HE TOLD YOU, YOU COULD HAVE THE POWER. MICHAEL: OH YEAH. WELL I WAS, LIKE I SAID, I
WAS AT THE CRUX OF EVERYTHING. I NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT
POWER WAS AND THE DEVIL, I DON’T KNOW IF IT WAS THE
DEVIL HIMSELF, BUT IT WAS HIGH RANKING
PRINCIPALITY APPEARED TO ME IN HUMAN FORM AND SAID,
‘IF YOU FOLLOW SATAN YOU’LL EXPERIENCE THE
POWER THAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR.’ AND SINCE, YOU KNOW,
GOD WASN’T DOING ANYTHING FOR ME AND THE CHURCH
WASN’T DOING ANYTHING FOR ME I AGREED. AND IT STARTED OUT LIKE
JUST SO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GLORIFY
THE DEVIL, BUT SO AWESOME. I MEAN, I COULD READ
PEOPLE’S MINDS. I COULD MANIPULATE THEM. I COULD GO INTO THEIR
DREAMS. I COULD ASTRAL PROJECT. I COULD DO ALL THE THINGS
THAT YOU KNOW THAT THE CHURCH HAS BEEN HIDING. YOU KNOW, THE CHURCH
DOESN’T WANT TO STEP UP TO ITS PLACE AND SO THE DEVIL
GAVE ME A LEEWAY. SID: BUT WAIT A SECOND,
YOU WERE RAISED IN THE CHURCH. MICHAEL: I WAS. SID: HOW IN THE WORLD
COULD YOU SELL YOUR SOUL? THAT’S WHAT YOU DID. MICHAEL: YEAH. SID: YOU KNEW YOU DID IT. WHY DID YOU? WERE YOU CONNED? DID YOU THINK MAYBE YOU
WEREN’T GOING TO SELL YOUR SOUL? MICHAEL: OH NO, I KNEW. I KNEW. SID: JUST FOR THE POWER. MICHAEL: JUST FOR THE
POWER. I NEEDED TO EXPERIENCE
REALITY. READING IT IN A BOOK WAS
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SID: NOW YOU BECAME AN
EVANGELIST FOR SATAN. WHO WERE THE EASIEST
PEOPLE FOR YOU TO REACH? MICHAEL: REJECTED
TEENAGERS, KIDS BETWEEN THE AGES 12
AND 17. YOU KNOW, THEY’RE OUTCASTS
AND THEY HAVE PURPLE HAIR AND 45,000 EARRINGS, AND
YOU KNOW, THEY WEAR ALL BLACK, AND
THEIR PARENTS DON’T UNDERSTAND THEM AND THEIR
YOUTH PASTORS DON’T UNDERSTAND THEM. SO I WOULD JUST GO IN AND
SWOOP IN, AND JUST SNATCH THEM RIGHT
UP. SID: NOW YOU ACTUALLY
TAUGHT SUNDAY SCHOOL IN THE BAPTIST CHURCH WHILE
YOU WERE IN SATANISM? MICHAEL: ABSOLUTELY. SID: WHY WERE YOU DOING
THAT? MICHAEL: BECAUSE IF I DID
THAT I HAD A LEEWAY INTO THE CHURCH ITSELF BECAUSE
THE SENIOR PASTOR’S DAUGHTER WAS IN THAT YOUTH
GROUP AND THERE’S ALL THESE KIDS THAT I COULD
MANIPULATE, PULL THEM AWAY FROM
CHURCH, INDOCTRINATE THEM INTO THE
BLACK ARTS AND THEN PUT THEM BACK INTO CHURCH AS
SPIES. SID: NOW YOU WOULD HEAL
PEOPLE, BUT THERE WAS A CATCH. YOU REALLY DID THE HEALING
TO CONTROL THEM. EXPLAIN THAT. MICHAEL: THE WAY DEMONIC
HEALING WORKS IS WHEN IF YOU HAVE A DISEASE YOU
COME TO ME AND WHAT I DO IS I TAKE THE DEMON OR THE
SPIRIT THAT IS ATTACHED TO YOU MAKING YOU SICK AND I
PULL IT OFF OF YOU BECAUSE I HAVE A STRONGER DEMON IN
ME. NOW YOU’RE MIRACULOUSLY
HEALED. BUT WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW IS
IT’S KIND OF LIKE A RUBBER BAND. AS YOU’RE WALKING AWAY I
GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. SO NOW IT’S LIKE A DRUG. IN ORDER FOR YOU TO GET
BETTER YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO ME. SID: SO YOU NOT ONLY HAD
POWER, BUT YOU HAD CONTROL OVER
THAT PERSON. MICHAEL: UM-HMM. SID: AND THAT WAS WORTH IT
TO YOU. MICHAEL: YES. SID: THAT SOUNDS LIKE A
STUPID PROPOSITION. YOU’RE RISKING YOUR WHOLE
ETERNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE POWER IN THIS LITTLE BLINK
OF THE EYE CALLED LIFE? MICHAEL: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SID: YOU’RE A SMART MAN. BUT HOW DID YOU LEARN HOW
TO DO THESE DARK THINGS? DID YOU READ BOOKS? WHERE DID IT COME FROM? MICHAEL: IT CAME STRAIGHT
FROM THE DEMONIC WORLD. I READ BOOKS ONLY AS
REFERENCES TO SEE WHAT IF I WAS GOING IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION. SID: I MEAN, DID THESE
DEMONS HAVE CONTROL OVER YOU? MICHAEL: AT THE END. AT THE BEGINNING, THEY LET
ME HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE SAME
THAT I WOULD HEAL YOU, THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE
ME A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL, A LITTLE BIT OF
CONTROL THEN THEY WOULD PULL THE REIN IN. SID: WAIT UNTIL YOU FIND
OUT WHEN MICHAEL SWITCHED POWERS AND WHAT HE FOUND
OUT ABOUT THE POWER HE WAS INVOLVED IN. DON’T GO AWAY. WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. [MUSIC♪] [MUSIC♪] SID: HELLO. SID ROTH YOUR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER HERE WITH MICHAEL
CHAMPAGNE. AND MICHAEL, YOU WERE A
PRACTICING HIGH PRIEST OF SATAN. AND EXPLAIN SOMETHING THAT
A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T UNDERSTAND. ON TELEVISION TODAY THEY
HAVE ALMOST, IT’S CALLED COMMUNICATING
WITH THE DEAD, TALKING, SÈANCES. HOW DOES THIS WORK? TELL ME HOW THIS WORKS
FROM YOUR UNDERSTANDING. MICHAEL: WELL TO BE QUITE
HONEST, ABOUT 75 PERCENT OF THOSE
PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE SÈANCES ON TV AND THE
PSYCHICS ARE FULL OF BALONEY. THEY HAVE NO POWER. IT’S ALL GIMMICKS AND
SMOKE AND MIRRORS, AND THEY HAVE SPIES IN THE
AUDIENCE. BUT FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, 15
OR 20 PERCENT THEY’RE JUST CONNECTED TO DEMONIC
POWERS AND THE POWER, IT’S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE
BOTH HAVE DEMONS. SID: YES, BUT HOW CAN THEY
COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD? THE BIBLE SAYS YOU’RE NOT
SUPPOSED TO. MICHAEL: RIGHT. WELL YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED
TO AND YOU CAN’T. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS IF-
SID: SO HOW DOES SOMEONE KNOW, LIKE I SEE ON THESE
THINGS, SUPPOSEDLY A DEAD RELATIVE
COMES BACK AND HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT NO ONE
KNOWS BUT THAT DEAD RELATIVE. MICHAEL: NO ONE KNOWS BUT
THAT DEAD RELATIVE AND THAT DEAD RELATIVE’S
DEMON, HIS FAMILIAR SPIRIT. THAT FAMILIAR SPIRIT
RELAYS INFORMATION TO THE PSYCHIC, YOU KNOW WHOEVER
IT MAY BE, AND SAYS, HEY THIS IS
WHAT, YOU KNOW, HE BASICALLY
TAKES THE SHAPE OF THE DEAD RELATIVE. TAKES THE IDENTITY AND
SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS
WHAT’S GOING ON IN MARY’S HOUSE. THIS IS WHAT’S GOING ON. SID: SO IT ISN’T REALLY
THE DEAD RELATIVE. IT’S THE DEMON THAT WAS IN
THE DEAD RELATIVE. MICHAEL: RIGHT. RIGHT. SID: THAT’S HORRIBLE. MICHAEL: IT IS HORRIBLE. SID: ALL RIGHT. SO YOU DECIDED TO GO TO A
BIG CHURCH. IT’S CALLED THE DREAM
CENTER. WHY DID YOU GO THERE? MICHAEL: TO BE REAL
HONEST, I WAS COLD AND HUNGRY. I HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW,
WORKING FOR SATAN ON THE STREETS FOR LIKE AT LEAST
TWO YEARS. SID: MICHAEL, YOU’RE A
BRIGHT YOUNG MAN. WHY WOULD YOU BE WORKING
FOR SATAN AND COLD AND HUNGRY? GO GET A JOB. MICHAEL: RIGHT. AT THAT POINT THE DEMONS
HAD CONTROL OVER ME BECAUSE I WAS FAR ENOUGH
INTO IT WHERE IF I DIDN’T DO WHAT THEY SAID, I WAS
HAVING HORRIBLE NIGHT TERRORS AND I COULDN’T
SLEEP. YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE BUGS
WERE CRAWLING. I WAS LITERALLY LIKE IN
PSYCHOSIS. SID: SO YOU WERE TOTALLY
CONTROLLED. MICHAEL: RIGHT. SID: YOU DIDN’T EVEN KNOW
A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU WERE DOING. MICHAEL: RIGHT. SID: SO WHAT DID YOU DO
WHEN YOU WENT IN THE DREAM CENTER? MICHAEL: WELL I WENT INTO
A DISCIPLESHIP PROGRAM AND I WAS JUST GOING TO STAY
THERE FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS, AND MAYBE GO BACK
HOME AND TRY TO GET MY LIFE STRAIGHTENED OUT. BUT GOD HAD OTHER PLANS. SO WHAT HAPPENED WAS MY
MENTOR AT THE TIME, HE BECAME MY SPIRITUAL
FATHER, SAID TO ME ONE DAY, HE’S
LIKE, ‘MICHAEL, YOU CAN STAY
HERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF
YOUR TAROT CARDS.’ I HAD THESE TAROT CARDS. I’VE HAD THEM FOR A YEAR
OR SO. I SLEPT WITH THEM. I ATE WITH THEM. THAT’S HOW I MADE MY
LIVING. THAT’S PART OF MY CATCH OF
THE YOUNGER CROWD. THAT WAS BASICALLY MY
LIFELINE. AND OUT OF NOWHERE, I JUST
SAID, ‘OKAY, LET’S GET RID OF
THEM.’ AND WE WENT OUT TO THE FRONT AND WE TOOK, WE
TRIED TO BURN THE CARDS. WE DOUSED THEM IN LIGHTER
FLUID AND CHARCOAL FLUID. NOTHING HAPPENED. SID: WHY? MICHAEL: THE DEMONIC
POWERS WON’T LET THEM BURN THAT WAY. SO WE HAD TO TAKE THEM
LIKE TWO AT A TIME AND DOUSE THEM, AND BURN THEM. AND SEE, THAT WAS PRETTY
AMAZING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FLAMES KILL JUST
ABOUT ANYTHING. BUT WHAT WAS REALLY
AMAZING WAS THE FLAMES FROM THESE CARDS WERE
BLACK AND PURPLE AND I WAS HEARING DEMONIC SCREAMING
COMING FROM THE SIDE OF THE CARDS, NOT, YOU KNOW,
LIKE ON THE CARDS, BUT LIKE OFF TO THE SIDE. SID: THEY WERE ALMOST
SUFFERING. MICHAEL: RIGHT. THERE WAS ANGER AND RAGE
IN THEIR SCREAMS. LIKE THEY COULDN’T BELIEVE
THAT I HAD BROKEN THAT BOND. AND THEN I, AT THAT
MOMENT, I JUST LIKE REVELATION HIT
ME. I WAS LIKE WELL THIS IS
TOTALLY STUPID, MICHAEL. I’M SITTING HERE AND I’M
LISTENING TO THESE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTROLLING
ME. AND WITHOUT, I DIDN’T SAY
A SINNER’S PRAYER. I DIDN’T DO ANYTHING LIKE
THAT. I JUST STOMPED ON THE
CARDS AS A SIGN OF MY OWN PERSONAL SIGN OF
REDEMPTION. AND I TURNED THE SELF AWAY
AND I DROPPED ON MY KNEES, AND THE SKY SPLIT OPEN
ABOVE ME, AND THE YARD WHERE I WAS
STANDING WAS FILLED WITH ANGELS. SID: HAD YOU EVER SEEN
ANGELS BEFORE? MICHAEL: NO. I’VE SEEN DEMONS, BUT I
HAVE NEVER SEEN ANGELS. SID: I HAVE TO ASK YOU A
QUESTION. YOU UNDERSTAND BETTER THAN
MOST SATAN DOES HAVE POWER AND HE’S NOT VERY HAPPY
OVER YOU. MICHAEL: NO. SID: AREN’T YOU, JUST
BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, AREN’T YOU A LITTLE
AFRAID? MICHAEL: NOT AT ALL. SID: WHY? MICHAEL: BECAUSE THE POWER
OF GOD IS STRONGER THAN THE POWER OF SATAN. SID: YOU WANTED POWER AND
THAT’S WHY, HAVE YOU FOUND, IN OTHER
WORDS, I’M TOLD THAT EVERYTHING
SATAN HAS HE CAN’T CREATE ANYTHING. HE’S JUST A COUNTERFEIT OF
SOMETHING REAL. MICHAEL: THAT’S TRUE. SID: HAVE YOU FOUND THE
REAL THING? MICHAEL: I HAVE FOUND THE
REAL THING. SID: IS, I MEAN, IS THERE
ANYTHING SATAN CAN DO TO YOU? MICHAEL: WELL YEAH. HE CAN DO STUFF TO ME, BUT
IT DOESN’T REALLY AFFECT ME. SID: WHAT DO YOU MEAN? MICHAEL: I MEAN EVEN IF
LIKE SATAN CAUSES A CAR WRECK AND I DIE, WHERE DO
I GO? STRAIGHT TO MY FATHER. BUT I HAD A REALIZATION
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN TIME THAT REALLY BOTHERED
ME THAT HE COULD EVEN STILL THAT. AND THEN I HEARD THE HOLY
SPIRIT SAY, ‘MICHAEL, YOU HAVE A
MISSION ON THIS EARTH AND UNTIL I SAY YOU ARE DONE,
I DON’T CARE IF YOU GET IN A CAR WRECK, YOU’RE GOING
TO WALK AWAY.’ SID: AND BY THE WAY, YOU DON’T WANT TO
BE HERE UNTIL, YOU WANT TO BE HERE UNTIL
YOU FINISH WHAT YOU DO AND ONCE YOU FINISH IT, WHY
WOULD ANYONE WANT TO STICK AROUND HERE? MICHAEL: IT’S TRUE. IT’S TRUE. SID: YOU KNOW, THAT’S
PRETTY, YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT YOU
TO DO? I WANT YOU TO LOOK IN THE
CAMERA RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU AND I WANT YOU TO TELL
THEM ABOUT THE POWER OF JESUS OVER SATAN. MICHAEL: THE POWER OF GOD
IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN THE POWER OF SATAN AND I
JUST, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A COVEN
OF WITCHES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PRAYING AGAINST THIS
BROADCAST, AND I BREAK THE POWER IN
THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. YOU WILL NOT HAUNT THESE
PEOPLE. YOU WILL NOT HAUNT THEIR
KIDS, THEIR GRANDKIDS, THEIR
FINANCES. I COMMAND IT TO BE BROKEN
IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. LORD, I ASK THAT YOU WOULD
OPEN THE DOORS OF HEAVEN RIGHT NOW ON THEM AND LET
THEM SEE YOUR MERCY. BUT LORD, LET THEM SEE
YOUR JUDGMENT. SOMETIMES THE FEAR OF GOD
IS THE GREATEST, THE GREATEST BRINGER OF
LIFE AND I THANK YOU FOR IT, LORD. SID: IN YESHUA’S NAME, IN
JESUS’ NAME. WE’RE GOING TO BE RIGHT
BACK AND YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THE REAL POWER
OF GOD, THE POWER THAT MAKES THE
DEVIL TREMBLE. DID YOU HEAR WHAT MICHAEL
SAID? NO POWER CAN TAKE YOU OUT
UNTIL YOU FINISH GOD’S DESTINY. THAT’S THE POWER THAT I
REPRESENT AND THAT MICHAEL REPRESENTS, AND THAT
YOU’RE GOING TO. BE RIGHT BACK. [MUSIC♪] [MUSIC♪] SID: HELLO. SID ROTH YOUR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER HERE WITH MICHAEL
CHAMPAGNE. MICHAEL WAS A PRACTICING
HIGH PRIEST OF SATAN, BUT NOW HE IS A MEMBER OF
THE MISHPOCHA. IT’S A HEBREW WORD, THE
FAMILY OF GOD. NOW MICHAEL, I LOVE IT
WHEN YOU GO AFTER THE DEVIL IN DELIVERANCE. YOU WERE TELLING ME ABOUT
YOU WENT AFTER ONE SATANIST. TELL ME ABOUT THAT. MICHAEL: I WAS WITNESSING
IN THE PARK AND THIS IS IN DURANGO, COLORADO. IT’S A MAJOR HOT SPOT FOR
WITCHCRAFT AND IDOLATRY, AND THAT TYPE OF THING. AND MY PHILOSOPHY WITH
MINISTRY HAS BEEN REAL SIMPLE. IT’S WHY TRY TO PREACH THE
GOSPEL TO THEM FOR FIVE HOURS WHEN YOU CAN
DEMONSTRATE IT FOR FIVE MINUTES. SO THIS GUY WAS, YOU KNOW,
HE WAS SMOKING POT AND HE WAS PRETTY HIGH. AND I WALKED UP TO HIM AND
I SAID, ‘SO DO YOU BELIEVE IN
JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR?’ AND HE WAS LIKE,
‘NO MAN, I DON’T BELIEVE IN ANY OF
THAT STUFF.’ AND I WAS LIKE, ‘SO YOU DON’T
BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL EITHER.’ AND HE WAS LIKE,
‘NO.’ I WAS LIKE, ‘SO HOW ABOUT IF I CAST
THE DEVIL OUT OF YOU, WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT
JESUS CHRIST WAS LORD THEN?’ HE WAS LIKE, ‘OF
COURSE.’ AND THEN I WAS LIKE, ‘OKAY.’ AND I LOOKED
HIM DEAD IN HIS FACE AND I SAID, ‘EVERY SINGLE
UNCLEAN SPIRIT, IN THE NAME OF JESUS
CHRIST OF NAZARETH, I COMMAND YOU TO COME
OUT.’ AND THE KID STARTED TREMBLING, AND HIS EYES
GOT REAL BIG, AND HE STARTED PUKING UP
BLACK GOO OUT OF HIS MOUTH ONTO THE GRASS. AND THEN WE GOT DONE HE
LOOKED UP AND I LED HIM INTO THE SINNER’S PRAYER. AND I PRAYED FOR HIM, AND
HE GOT IN FULL WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. SID: NOW DO YOU FIND, I
FIND THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE ON THE DARK SIDE AND
SURRENDER TO GOD HAVE VERY KEEN GIFTS OF DISCERNMENT. THEY KNOW WHEN THERE ARE
PEOPLE, THERE ARE WITCHES
INVOLVED. THERE WERE PEOPLE INVOLVED
WITH THESE THINGS. IS THAT TRUE WITH YOU? MICHAEL: YEAH, IT’S VERY
TRUE. SID: AND BUT HOW ABOUT THE
OTHER? CAN YOU TELL IF SOMEONE IS
A CHRISTIAN NOW? MICHAEL: YES. SID: HOW? MICHAEL: WELL YOU KNOW, I
DON’T WANT TO SAY THAT CHRISTIANITY HAS DEGREES,
BUT PEOPLE THAT ARE FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT ARE EASIER
TO TELL APART THAN THOSE WHO HAVEN’T BEEN FILLED
WITH THE SPIRIT. YOU KNOW, LIKE IT’S JUST-
SID: DO YOU FEEL SOMETHING? DO YOU SEE SOMETHING? MICHAEL: IT VARIES. IT VARIES. PEOPLE THAT I CAN SEE THE
HOLY SPIRIT, I CAN SEE THE ANOINTING ON
SOME PEOPLE. SOMETIMES I SMELL THE
AROMA OF CHRIST OR SEE THE FIRE OF GOD IN THEIR EYES. IT ALL DEPENDS. DEPENDS ON HOW GOD WANTS
ME TO SEE THAT PERSON. PROPHETS I SEE DIFFERENTLY
THAN I SEE EVANGELISTS. SID: WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
SOMEONE THAT IS READING HARRY POTTER’S BOOKS THAT
IS LIKE YOU USED TO BE? BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE
WATCHING US RIGHT NOW THAT ARE EXACTLY THE WAY YOU
USED TO BE AND THEY DON’T SEE THE POWER IN CHURCH,
AND THEY SEE THE POWER IN THE DEMONIC, AND THAT’S
WHY THEY’RE DABBLING IN ALL OF THESE THINGS. LOOK IN THE CAMERA AND
TALK TO THAT PERSON THAT IS BEING ENTICED WITH
HARRY POTTER, WITH, YOU KNOW WHAT’S
GOING ON IN HOLLYWOOD. I MEAN, WHAT’S THE AGENDA
WITH HOLLYWOOD THESE DAYS? WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO
ACCOMPLISH? MICHAEL: THEY’RE JUST
BOMBARDING THE AIRWAVES WITH DEMONIC SUGGESTIONS. THAT’S ALL THEY NEED. THAT’S ALL THE DEVIL NEEDS
IS A SUGGESTION. SID: NOW TALK TO THE
PERSON THAT IS THINKING ABOUT GOING TO THE DARK
SIDE. MICHAEL: YOU’RE GOING DOWN
THE WRONG PATH. YOU’RE DOOMED. YOU NEED, YOU KNOW, JESUS
DOESN’T NEED YOU. YOU NEED JESUS. YOU’RE DROWNING IN AN
OCEAN AND HE’S A LIFE RAFT. HE HAS THE POWER. HE HAS THE WISDOM. HE HAS EVERYTHING YOU
NEED. AND LOOK, I PRAY RIGHT NOW
THAT IF YOU DON’T CHANGE YOUR WAYS YOU’RE GOING TO
SEE THESE SPIRITS FOR WHO THEY REALLY ARE IN THE
NEXT 24 HOURS AND THEN YOU’LL KNOW IN JESUS’
NAME. SID: NOW YOU MOVE IN THE
PROPHETIC VERY OFTEN. GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF SOME
TIME YOU MOVED IN THE PROPHETIC. MICHAEL: WELL LIKE GOD
DOESN’T LIKE TO GIVE ME FORMULAS, BUT I’LL JUST
GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES. SOMETIMES WHEN LIKE I’VE
GOT, IF I FEEL A STIRRING FOR
HEALING I’LL, SOMETIMES I’LL SEE WHAT’S
THE INJURED PART, WHETHER IT BE KIDNEYS,
RIBS, WHATEVER. OR I’LL SEE A WORD ABOVE
THAT PERSON, OR I’LL JUST GET AN
IMPRESSION LIKE AN URGENT, AN UNCTION AND I’LL JUST
KIND OF OPEN MY MOUTH AND THE WORDS WILL COME OUT. BUT ONE INSTANCE THAT I
REMEMBER VERY CLEAR. I WAS IN A SPEAKING IN A
CHURCH, A VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE
CHURCH, A METHODIST CHURCH, AND I
WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO GIVE MY TESTIMONY, AND I KEEP
HEARING THE WORD ‘PREACH’. AND I’M LIKE AT THIS POINT
I HAVEN’T REALLY PREACHED TO ANYBODY BEFORE. AND SO THE FIRST WORDS OUT
OF MY MOUTH WERE ‘COME HOLY SPIRIT’ AND THE POWER
OF GOD FLOODED THE CHURCH AND 15 PEOPLE GOT BAPTIZED
IN THE HOLY SPIRIT INCLUDING THE SENIOR
PASTOR WITH EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN TONGUES. SID: NOW TELL ME ABOUT THE
TIME YOU SPOKE IN TONGUES FOR THE FIRST TIME. MICHAEL: WELL I HAD SOME
KIDS THAT CAME TO THE DREAM CENTER FROM ORAL
ROBERTS UNIVERSITY AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD JUST COME
OUT OF BAD SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES, SO I WASN’T
GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE SPIRIT. I DON’T CARE, IF IT HAD
THE WORD SPIRIT IN IT, I WASN’T INVOLVED. AND THEY’RE ALWAYS SITTING
THERE AND THEY’RE PRAYING IN AN UNKNOWN LANGUAGE, A
TONGUE. AND I WAS SITTING THERE,
AND WE’RE ALL HOLDING HANDS. AND I STARTED SHAKING
VIOLENTLY, AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING
TO GET RID OF ANOTHER DEMON, AND I WAS LIKE, OH
GREAT. I MEAN, IT FELT LIKE FIRE
WAS ALL OVER MY BODY. AND I LOOKED AT MY MENTOR
AT THE TIME, AND I SAID, ‘TODD, WHAT’S
GOING ON?’ AND TODD WAS LIKE, ‘YOU’RE JUST
RESISTING THE HOLY SPIRIT.’ AND HE SMILED AND
WALKED AWAY. I WAS LIKE, GREAT. THIS WENT ON FOR THREE
DAYS WHERE I WOULD HOLD IT IN AND HOLD IT IN, AND
HOLD IT IN. THE LAST DAY THE KIDS FROM
ORU WERE THERE. WE’RE ALL OUT IN THE FRONT
YARD. WE’RE PRAYING AND I LOOK
UP AND I HAVE A FRIEND NAMED ELLIOTT, HE WAS
LIKE, HE WAS A PROPHET,
SIX-FOOT-FIVE BLACK MAN STARING ME IN THE FACE. AND HE’S LIKE, ‘GOD WANTS
YOU TO BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. DO YOU ACCEPT?’ AND I WAS
LIKE, WELL YEAH. AND HE LAID HIS HAND ON
ME, AND THE POWER OF GOD, IT
FELT LIKE WENT FROM MY FEET TO MY MOUTH AND OUT
MY MOUTH LIKE A LIGHTNING BOLT. AND I FELL ON THE GROUND
AND I STARTED SPEAKING IN TONGUES, AND THEN IN FACT,
I COULDN’T STOP FOR LIKE THREE HOURS. THAT’S ALL I COULD DO WAS
SPEAK IN TONGUES. SID: DID YOU SEE A
DIFFERENCE IN THE POWER OF GOD AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE? MICHAEL: THE DAY AFTER I
STARTED GETTING DREAMS AND VISIONS IN BEING ABLE TO
HEAR THE VOICE OF GOD AUDIBLY. SID: WHAT IS, VERY QUICK,
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POWER OF GOD
AND THE POWER OF THE DEVIL? MICHAEL: PEACE. PEACE. THAT’S THE MAIN
DIFFERENCE. SID: DID YOU HEAR THAT? SHALOM. PEACE. THAT’S THE MAIN
DIFFERENCE. IF YOU WANT PEACE, YOU’RE
TIRED OF ALL THE TURMOIL GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE, I
SPEAK SHABBAT SHALOM, THE PEACE OF THE SABBATH
UPON YOU AND I TELL YOU TO EXPERIENCE THAT PEACE
FOREVER. TELL GOD YOU’RE SORRY FOR
SIN AND BELIEVE THE BLOOD OF JESUS WASHES AWAY YOUR
SINS. TELL HIM YOU’RE TURNING
FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS AND FOR JESUS TO COME INSIDE
OF YOU AND BE YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. HE SAID, ‘I’LL NEVER LEAVE
YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. PEACE I GIVE YOU NOT LIKE
THE WORLD GIVES YOU. I GIVE YOU MY PEACE.’
RECEIVE HIS PEACE RIGHT NOW. RECEIVE HIS PEACE. IT’S YOURS. IT’S YOURS. [MUSIC] California, Louise
Huebner, who was the top witch of
the day. I studied everything there
was to know about Tarot cards, card reading,
everything to know about astral projection, Tibetan
Book of the Dead, Buddhism, anything there
was to know about spirit guides, and what I would
do is, I was astral project out
of the body enabling spirits to come in because
in witchcraft I believed that if I could get my own
spirit, I could be empowered by
bringing spirit guides in. Now, understand, I was of
the mind that these